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  Is Flipper OK?

  by Iamallcool in

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  https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/us/california-earthquake/index.html.

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  Is Flipper himself on Facebook? I’d love to reestablish contact with him. I always enjoyed his posts. Maybe one day this covid thing will blow over and my wife and I can join the gang at one of his famous Apostafests. 😎
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  Leading First Amendment scholars intervene in CA loyalty oath case

  by Corney in

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  brianna bolden-hardge, a mother of two, a devout jw and a career california civil servant, sues the office of the state controller which revoked a job offer after she objected to swearing a loyalty oath, even though three other state agencies she worked for "either did not insist on the oath or provided her a religious accommodation to it" (by allowing to submit a clarifying statement).

  she sued, and the case was dismissed by a district court.

  now it's heard by the ninth circuit.

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  Leading First Amendment scholars intervene in CA loyalty oath case

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
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  brianna bolden-hardge, a mother of two, a devout jw and a career california civil servant, sues the office of the state controller which revoked a job offer after she objected to swearing a loyalty oath, even though three other state agencies she worked for "either did not insist on the oath or provided her a religious accommodation to it" (by allowing to submit a clarifying statement).

  she sued, and the case was dismissed by a district court.

  now it's heard by the ninth circuit.

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  There is also this, from the July 22, 1975 Awake!
  

  "A citizen of the United States of America who desires to travel abroad will find the following oath on a passport application: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations, or purpose of evasion: So help me God.” If an applicant finds this objectionable, he is permitted to strike this oath from the passport application, and he will not be denied the document on that basis.
  

  A godly person also appropriately weighs matters from the standpoint of Jesus Christ’s statement: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Luke 20:25) If anything conflicts with God’s law, the Christian cannot conscientiously swear to it. Yet he might take an oath to ‘support and defend’ the provisions of the law of the land that are not out of harmony with the law of God. Enlightened nations that grant citizens freedom of worship do not require Christians to do things contrary to their Biblical beliefs and obligations to Almighty God.

  But how might a Christian ‘support and defend’ the law or the Constitution of a land granting religious liberty? By engaging only in proper and legal conduct that also harmonizes with the law of God. He can also do this by his spoken word, including the giving of truthful testimony in a court of law. No one can reasonably object to a Christian’s swearing to do something that God expects him to do, and relative subjection to governmental authorities is required of Christ’s followers.​—Rom. 13:1."

  Marvin Shilmer used to have an excellent blog, but I can't find it online now. Does anyone know if he's still around? One of his blog posts had an article on this very subject, and included a pic of Knorr's signature on the passport application oath page. So there's that.

  I think the lady in California, as sincere and well-meaning as she may be, made a big deal out of nothing. According to the Society's written material, and the example of its leaders, she could have signed the oath without violating the official tenets of her faith.
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  Leading First Amendment scholars intervene in CA loyalty oath case

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  brianna bolden-hardge, a mother of two, a devout jw and a career california civil servant, sues the office of the state controller which revoked a job offer after she objected to swearing a loyalty oath, even though three other state agencies she worked for "either did not insist on the oath or provided her a religious accommodation to it" (by allowing to submit a clarifying statement).

  she sued, and the case was dismissed by a district court.

  now it's heard by the ninth circuit.

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  In other news, it is a known fact that Judge Rutherford and Nathan Knorr, and probably many other Bethel heavies, signed a very similar oath in order to get a passport. I believe I've even seen photocopies of those documents posted here on JWN. If anyone can find and repost them, I think lots of people would be interested in seeing them.
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  Suspected Washington Kingdom Halls arsonist arrested

  by Corney in

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  as many probably remember, in 2018-2020, multiple kingdom and assembly halls were set on fire in the state of washington, so fbi, atf, local sheriff and arson alarm foundation offered $61,000 in rewards for information leading to arrest of the arsonist.

  the attacks (seven arsons and one shooting) included:.

  march 19, 2018: two arson attacks - one at a tumwater kingdom hall and the second at a kingdom hall on cain road in olympia.

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  Actually, I'm glad the accused perpetuator is not a disgruntled, crazed apostate. Man, the Society would have made hay with that!

  This person is obviously unbalanced and needs psychiatric help. While the public must be protected, and he must be prevented from burning any more buildings, I hope he gets the help he needs.

  All that said, I can certainly sympathize with his disgust and hatred for the cult that the WT has become.
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  centre audio video

  by Marcial in

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  https://www.jw-avcenter.org/.

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  I seldom give the WT credit for anything they do, but I will admit this website was very well done and will probably get their point across. My adult son, who is in the custom web services business, says they probably paid "a pretty penny" for that level of quality. It is possible that they have someone at Bethel who can do this level of work, but it's not unheard of for them to outsource particularly important jobs to "worldly" businesses. Who knows, and more importantly, who cares?

  All that said, It is a good example of what a polished website can be. Too bad it will ultimately be used to lure unsuspecting people into an authoritarian cult that divides families and ruins people’s lives. They don’t tell their prospects that there is no honorable way to leave, and that you’ll lose any family who are still in if you do. Fork 'em!
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  TRICKY WORDS and why not to use them

  by Terry in

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  tricky words .

  perfectly good words go unused in writing and speaking.

  their meaning isn't clear and the eye is 'tricked' by similarity to other words or sounds.. .

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  Pedantry is a fine pastime. It has nothing to do with kiddies.
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  Now question all these people disfellowshipped for adulteres marriage

  by Yomama in

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  do they get apology for getting the boot?.

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  The gist is that 3 things constitute a "scriptural" divorce with the freedom to remarry: (1) adultery, (2) a legal divorce, and (3) rejection by the "innocent" mate. One of the things that establishes this rejection is the "innocent" mate's signing of the divorce papers.

  They do include a blurb that in some lands it might be possible to sign documents establishing child custody and support but still not consenting to the divorce. I've never heard of this in actual practice, and only a fool would agree to the obligations of a settlement without the freedoms of a divorce.

  Anyway, once such a "scriptural" divorce occurs, remarriage by either party is considered scriptural, legal, and binding. Therefore, it would not be considered an adulterous marriage.

  That said, the adultery still must be dealt with and the "guilty" mate may not be considered "exemplary" for a long time, even if not disfellowshipped or after being reinstated. He or she would not qualify for any congregation "privileges" till they have "lived down" their guilt and shame. Big whoop.
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  16 Page Addendum--United States!

  by Atlantis in

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  we had a request for this, so i thought i would put it out here for everybody just in case someone else wants it.

  (16 page addendum for the united states).

  atlantis!.

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  Thanks again, Atlantis! You da man!
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  The New Files Are Back There By The Cinnamon Rolls!

  by Atlantis in

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  elder manuals in english and spanish--addendum--and--announcement.. they are sitting back there by the cinnamon rolls and coffee pot.. here:.

  https://www.filemail.com/d/grkasnjvjsedchw.

  https://we.tl/t-anqq8an2t2.

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  Hello again, Atlantis! I was just watching a live stream of He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named (on JWN) and Mark O'Donnell discussing the new elder's manual. Mark mentioned an additional 16-page document, different from the 5-page Announcement and Attachment document. Do you know what he was referring to? Do you have a copy that you can share?

  Regardless, thanks for all you're doing to keep us all informed about the Society's latest shenanigans. Take care, my friend.